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"My view is that if these grow as organized embryos for the first few days and then arrest, they may just be very short-lived human beings ... One is very possibly dealing with a defective human being. And at a minimum, the benefit of the doubt should be given here, and these embryos should not be created for the purposes of destroying them."
It sounds to me he is arguing that it is the organization of the cells into a unit that is somehow what gives cells extra moral worth over say, a tumor. Without knowing more about the technique, we can ask when did this extra moral worth come about? Was it when the haploid egg first became diploid? If so, then that in itself means that any old diploid cell would do. Is there some particular sort of biochemical cascade that when triggered, sets the cell on to the path of embryological development and greater moral worth? If so it seems that would be a mighty uncomfortable conclusion for some-that moral worth depends on biochemistry. It also implies that life (meaning human life) does not "begin with conception" as the anti abortion sloganeering claims. In fact conception is not required if I am following the Reverend's logic!
Ooops! I wonder if the Reverend really wants to follow those possible implications of his logic.
By the way there is a follow up in the Wired Science Blog which considers whether or not these embryos have souls. The post by Brandon Keim argues that perhaps they do. And Keim makes the following metaphysical speculation:
"... As for the continuing life of the stem cells, it's clear that their soul is not equivalent to that of a mature person, or even a baby within the womb. This doesn't necessarily mean that's it's worth less -- merely that it's at a different stage, with different characteristics. Might it be said that, in a hypothetical stem cell therapy, as stem cells mature and replace damaged tissue, the soul of the cells fuses with the soul of their recipient? And that the soul of those cells, their life potential, isn't lost, but instead is preserved?"
Oh dearie me...so cells can have souls? Souls can fuse? Sounds to me like a throw back to the vitalism of the early 20th century.
For instance, consider this unedited comment from the Telegraph's web site:
"The Bischops of England, nor any other bischops have been granted such an authority to go beyond the current Church's teachings that, so far as I know are strictly forbidding in-vitro fertilizations. That's staggering: These innocent bischops are speaking about the mother's rights. OK fine. And what about those of the "father"? These Chimeras are an abomination: One day such monsters will be developped by mad scientists with the aim to overcome the human race created by God according to His plans, and destroy us either by their muscular strength or by their higher intelligence. The one question to ask the Church (not silly bischops) is: Have such human creatures a Soul? That I doubt since they have been created by men against God's laws."
If you subscribe to this sort of logic (and I don't dear reader), the conclusion is no soul-no rights. How can the Church Fathers seriously believe that allowing a chimera to be born is the lesser of two evils given that sort of reaction?
The Bishops may also have opened themselves up to a reconsideration of that basic Catholic doctrine: the soul.
"The unity of the soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the 'form' of the body: i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single creature." Catechism (365)
If chimeras that are mainly human have a soul then where is the cut off point when a chimera does not have a soul? How about a chimera produced from cells contributed by a human male? Would the Bishops allow that chimera to be carried by a surrogate mother to full term? Or is that one reproductive intervention too many for them? How about a chimera primarily originating from another mammal but with a relatively small number of human cells, say in the cerebral cortex, does that chimera have a soul? Gee...is the soul concept even useful?
To me, the Bishop's stance is not ethically defensible at this time. It leap frogs any sane proposal put forth by ethicists to handle the chimera situation. But flawed as it is, if the Bishop's proposal exposes the essentialist and typological thinking of the Church as indefensible, then maybe it has some value.
Other Links:Also sex germination in butterflies is not exactly the same as in people since what is critical is the number of Z chromosomes relative to the number of W chromosomes. So Butterflies that are ZW are female but butterflies with a W chromosome but more than one Z chromosome may be male depending on the species. So if a non disjunction event happens in the first division leading to the 2 cell embryo in a black swallowtail female , one side of the insect will end up having ZW cells and be the black swallowtail phenotype. The other side will presumably end up ZZW, which in butterflies is (at least often) male. This side will have the yellow tiger swallowtail coloration.
Other links:
J. Mark Scriber, Robert H. Hagen, Robert C. Lederhouse Evolution, Vol. 50, No. 1 (Feb., 1996), pp. 222-236
Reed, Robert D. and Sperling, Felix A. H. 2002. Papilionidae. The Swallowtail Butterflies. Version 21 February 2002 (complete). http://tolweb.org/Papilionidae/12177/2002.02.21 in The Tree of Life Web Project, http://tolweb.org/
"We needed a category that would be descriptive of children that were not oldAnd it looks like people are setting on "gender variance" as a way of describing kids who don't seem to fit the normal pattern of gender related behavior. I am just not sure this is a good idea. Labels can be valuable but labels develop a life on their own and that is not always a good thing and could lead to an unnecessary intrusion of "services" into kid's lives. There is a principle in quantum mechanics which says that the observer affects the experiment. Kids aren't experiments, but the idea is the same.
enough to declare gender or sexuality in the adult sense," he says. 'Because,
obviously, a five-year-old is not going to know what they are in terms of
sexuality or gender.' "
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